 To Traci (and anyone who's interested) | Sep. 20th, 2006 @ 10:26 pm  |
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A small explanation in advance for the friends of mine who have no idea what I'm typing about::
Traci (![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif) fieryredhead) posted some ebay auction links of hers to her journal; among them this one here:
Mina's red bustle gown
I noticed that the first picture (edited to note: The auction has been edited by now. It now shows Dracula and Mina kissing; but first it used to show the first of the pictures that can be seen here - the one that shows the gown on the dress mannequin) shows the original gown without mentioning it, and for someone who doesn't know this picture from the 'Dracula' book it's not too easy to make out if it's the original gown.
So I wrote a comment to her livejournal: I think there may be a problem with the Mina auction... it reads
"As you can see from the photos below this is a high quality movie reproduction; the photos shown are of the actual dress made by Crimson
Vision!"
but right next to it a picture of the original gown is shown.
Now, whatever buyer does *not* know that this is the original gown could perhaps be a bit disappointed that your gown is missing the elaborate pleating on the skirt. All other auctions show the gowns with the corresponding actresses inside of them, but the Mina gown doesn't which makes it easy to become confused.
Just thought I should mention it to give you a chance to label the picture of the original gown correctly; I'm sure you didn't do this deliberately.
And her reply, to which *I* can't reply any more because she defriended me, was: Um, actually my gown DOES have the fully pleated underskirt like the one in the movie; all 13 yards of it. And you even quoted the part that states in the auction notes that the pictures *below* are of mine.
Regardless, I will have my friend note that the image to the direct right is of the actual gown.
By the by, I'm rather offended by your comment that someone would be dissapointed in my gown. My hackles have been raised on more than one occasion by you questioning my choices in construction or color or whatever. I'm sure it's not your fault and you were not trying to do so but I think it's best if we respectfully remove each other from our friends lists.My reply to this is: Sure, Traci, if you all of a sudden have decided that you just need backpatters on your friendslist, just do so. I don't need backpatters, I need friends - friends who will tell me if something is wrong; so I will definitely not remove you. You write that your gown is pleated the same way as the original costume? I tell you it's not. Even a half blind person can see that from the pictures. It *can't* be, as the original gown was made of heavy indian silk taffeta, and even if you had pleated your skirt to the same small pleats the original gown has, it wouldn't drape the same way, as Crèpe de Chine is much softer and doesn't take the pleating the way taffeta does, which can especially be seen on your bustle, which just 'stands' where it has been stuffed. The original bustle stands and folds all by itself, and not just in places where it has been tucked up (not stuffed!). I didn't say a buyer would be disappointed if he / she knew that the first picture shows the original gown, but if that was not the case, they could confuse yours with the one shown on top of the auction. Your pictures are not as good as the one of the original gown, so the fact that the pleating can't be seen in your pictures could be the fault of those pictures... but any experienced dressmaker can see that your pleating is not as narrow as on the original gown, which is barely 2 wingers wide, if at all. Your gown is beautiful, and it's a better reproduction than most others I have seen so far... but it's still not exactly like the movie gown; which is mostly the fault of the wrong fabric and the too large pleating and the missing 'ruffling' at the back sides. And if you can't see that the questioning of other people can be *way* more constructive than a billion people who are not able to see what's wrong with something (or just don't dare pointing it out) and just cheer 'OMG!!! What a wonderful beautiful costume no one could have done better!!!', then I'm more than happy to remove you from my friendslist in a week from now on. It's a shame, I thought you were not just applause-seeking but, like me, open for constructive criticism, without which no creative person can become even better. *I* crave such constructive criticism and had wished that you had told me if you had *ever* thought even just the tiniest bit wrong with one of my gowns. *Then* one of Traci's friends, raveness1072 jumped onto that train, and blessed me with the following kind words in Traci's entry:: Subject: You know, crack will kill ya.
I would ask if you're nuts, but having been an amused and entranced witness to your whole "people are trying to kill me" circus, I think the jury's in on this
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There's lots of things that the buyer of this gown will be. Disappointed is not one of them.
Mean people suck.
And my reply to this is as following: Yes, mean people suck, especially those who unscrew the bolts on one of your car's wheels. What exactly *that*, however, might have to do with Traci's gown's pleating being wrong, I have no idea. What exactly is your point? Sorry for writing this here, but I see no other possibility to put this right. I'm used to discussing where the argument started, and this was her Livejournal in a friends locked posting, to which I can't write any more. Best wishes, Naergi |
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Heh. From her website - big and very clear difference between the original dress and her version. In fact, she does herself no favours by showing pictures of both together on the same page, unless of course people are confused. And again, on the web page, no clear labelling of the photo of the original gown...
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| From: | eveiya |
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September 20th, 2006 - 09:19 pm |
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P.S. Perhaps she should friends-lock her website too?
Well, the basic pattern of the dress is correct, it's just that the fabric is not stiff enough and the pleating. As I've already said, it's still better than many other reproductions I have seen; this one here for example: http://www.filmkleider.de/uses the right pleating and fabric and even has those 'side back ruchings'; but the 'ribbon ruffles' at the bodice are too large, the bodice uses a wrong pattern without the slanted princess seams and the front skirt seems a little too narrow to me, but that can be because of the missing supporting petticoat. And the back bodice looks a little weird, too ;-) Both - Traci's and this one - are good reproductions, but they're both not exact copies of the movie costume (of which I, by the way, have seen no absolutely correct copy so far). However, this was not really meant to be about how good her reproduction is. I was just utterly surprised that anyone would remove me from their friendslist because I said that a skirt's pleating was wrong and that they should label the pictures in their auctions properly ;-)
Oops, got the link to the reproduction wrong. Here it is again, this time correct: http://www.filmkleider.bediab.de/dracula.htmThat's what comes from people using frames on their websites, *sigh*... BTW: EVEIYA! Long time no see! *hugs* ;-)
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September 20th, 2006 - 10:41 pm |
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Actually, none of those pictures do the dress justice, and the dress is sooooooo _VERY_ close to accurate.
And for your information, the hits are not due to Traci, but other people you have obviously alienated and/or just really pissed off.
What it all came down to from a 3rd party point of view is that you just have to learn how to be tactful instead of basically never having a positive comment for anyone. And if you have constructive critisism, do so in a tactful manner, not the condescending manner of which you have succeeded in using.
I do not know you, do not pretend to do so. However, when there are more of the same exact examples offered of these comments on lots of other pages, you kind of have to reevaluate how you interact with people, you know?
1) You do not know the original fabric of evrey gown ever made. Did you see the original gown? Funny because I took my information from people who actually did. Regardless; silk crepe comes in varying weights and stiffness. I chose the fabric I liked best. My opinion is silk taffeta is way too shiny for this gown. I agree it is not identical to the movie; the buds are too big because the flowiness of the crepe refused to pleat small enough. But you know what? I'm very proud of my gown.
2) I don't need backpatters on my friends lists. But I don't need people that have nothing better to do than to pick apart their 'friends' creations. This is not the first time you've done this. if I ask for advice or thoughts on how something is made that is one thing; unsolicited critisism is another.
3) All of my entries are friends locked automatically due to not wanting my family or co-workers that deep in my life; I did not lock it to try and keep you out. But since you wanted so badly to see what I wrote:
"I have removed naergilien from my friends list and asked her to do the same of me. I'm sure most of you could care less but some of you do (and are probably amused). ;) Almost all her comments in regards to my costumes have really pissed me of (to be blunt). I know I don't know everything there is to know about specific costumes; I don't claim to. I have gotten the impression that she does believe that of herself.
Anyways. Her reply in my last post was the final straw. Dissapointed indeed.
Grr. So much for being giddy and happy today!!"
4) To your 'back-patting' friend that suggested I friends lock my website? Yeahhhh. So clever! Cookie to you!
In closing; I chose to friend you and talk to you and give you a chance after sooooooo many people warned me against it. I didn't know you from adam and liked some of your work and thought; hey; new interesting friend. As we are seeing now the friendship didn't work out. We have varying views from one anouther on how costumes are made and what they are made out of. there is nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with trying to prove that you are always correct and all other costumers are crap. You need to find a new hobby. no, the costuming part is fine. it's te whole being an almighty bitch I'm talking about.
Have a good day.
1) You do not know the original fabric of evrey gown ever made. Did you see the original gown? Funny because I took my information from people who actually did.
No, I have not seen the gown in person; but I *do* have a vast knowledge about fabrics and how they drape and 'behave'.
I actually have a sample of that heavy indian taffeta here and could send it to you so that you can judge whether it would have been an extremely good choice or not. It's not shiny at all, just like all silk taffeta it has a certain subtile sheen, but it's not shiny.
Just out of curiosity: The 'people you got your information from' do not include a certain someone who puts a tremendous amount of work into her gowns just to have an outcome that looks beautiful but still as if it's been made about 2-3 sizes too large for her? (I'm fully aware that this question will practically invite further people to bashing my journal, thank you.)
if I ask for advice or thoughts on how something is made that is one thing; unsolicited critisism is another.
Uhm, hello? My initial comment in your journal was about a not-too-clearly labeled picture of an original gown in your Ebay auction, remember? I just justified what I said about it being labeled wrong because your pleats are draping differently than the movie costume (which you, by the way, first denied, then admitted in this last comment; which I find funny). 'Unsolicited criticism' would be if I would *just* say 'your gown is ugly' (which is not my opinion - just an example). But any criticism that has explained and true points why the one criticizing thinks so is not unsolicited.
I know I don't know everything there is to know about specific costumes; I don't claim to. I have gotten the impression that she does believe that of herself.
I don't claim to know *everything*. But I do know *some things*. I have worked hard for knowing these things. What's wrong about that?
In closing; I chose to friend you and talk to you and give you a chance after sooooooo many people warned me against it.
May I just outburst and *LOL*?
Before you friended me you most certainly read my userinfo. The fact that I will never lie to my friends is clearly stated there, and also that I will always say what I actually think. I have, as already mentioned in another comment of mine, thought about the possibility of swallowing down what I *really* think just in order to gain a possibly long friends and admirers list for half an hour.
And here's an addition to what I have already written up as a conclusion, which is, by the way, also already written in my userinfo:
I don't need friends who like me just because I make costumes and comment as nice as they like to read on *their* costumes. I need friends who tell me their honest opinions and expect the same of me in return.
But just because I'm terribly curious, how does that work that people 'warned you'? Like this?
Traci (in a chat room, on the phone or wherever): "Oh, I think I'll friend naergilien. I like some of her work and so she'll be a new interesting friend!" (Which, by the way, is totally against what I have written in my userinfo: I don't need friends who like me because I make costumes, I want friends who value me for my opinions, knowledge and my ability to say what I really think...)
Unknown friend of Traci: "Oh no, you can't friend naergilien! I strongly warn you of it because (reason I'm much interested inserted here)!"
Unknown other friend of Traci: "Yes, friending her would really be not good because (insert another reason I'm very curious to read here)!"
Yet another friend of Traci: "I would strongly warn against friending her because (...blah...)!"
Is that how 'being warned about friending someone' works? Funny, I never had any discussion like that.
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I don't know you. I barely know fieryredhead. I don't have any reason to get in between the two of you on this and I'm suprised, based on the obvious content this was leading to, that I even chose to read this post.
But since I did read it I feel I need to point of a simple thing:
You stated -- "But any criticism that has explained and true points why the one criticizing thinks so is not unsolicited".
You are incorrect. Unsolicited means "unasked for". Regardless of the validity of whatever statements you made (something I am completely incapable of judging)...if she says that the criticism is unsolicited, it means she didn't ask for your opinion or critical input.
Also, because I had a gut feeling about the tone of the post and comments I went digging a little more so that I could ensure that the following statement from me is accurate (and yes, it is unsolicited...I know) --
You appear to be a very skilled seemstress and clothing reproducer. You obviously have a great deal of knowledge on the subject of fabrics and costuming in general. But the statements of others are correct. You lack tact and you are overly-critical. Its almost as if you feel you are in competition with the other costumers you are friends with. I think if you were to give some creative suggestions on improving things occasionally, and with a better choice of language and tone of writing, you might find that this was avoidable.
However, the fact you didn't know the proper context of a 9th grade literacy level word such as "unsolicited" may explain why you don't have the experiance with using the language elequantly in the forms of written communication. While you can be forgiven of this easily, few people are so skilled, I can understand why it would be annoying and angering from fireyredhead's point of view and why she would not want to deal with it anymore.
Rather than perpetuate the drama farther, you may BOTH wish to simply drop it and move on from one another's mutual lives and simply drop the stress you'll no doubt cause yourself.
Good Day.
I think you are completely missing the point as to why she unfriended you. It has to do more with the way you told her the picture was confusing in the auction rather than the fact that you told her. Several people have considered that it might have something to do with the language barrier, but there is a tactful way of commenting on the picture and your comment was not at all tactful or polite. Instead of pointing out what was wrong with the costume to make the picture inaccurate, all you had to say was this:
The picture of the original gown is not clearly labeled in the auction, which can be confusing to buyers who might think that is the exact gown they are getting.
See? The comments you made about the pleating being incorrect were completely uncessary and in fact a little rude. Why can you not seem to realize this? Every comment I've seen you make on Traci's journal has been negative in some way. Are you really that negative of a person or do you simply not realize that what you are doing is not courteous?
...and here's the rest of my comment, as it became a tad too long for Livejournal:
There is something wrong with trying to prove that you are always correct and all other costumers are crap.
Believe me, if I would ever have thought anything like that then my own skills, with which I surprisingly was *no* born, would never have improved. And wouldn't it, like, be totally against what you just wrote that I ask other costumers in postings in my journal for help on certain items that I can't figure out, which I recently quite often did? Why, in your opinion, should I want advice from people of whose work I think that it's crap?
You're illogical.
But thank you for telling me that you just friended me because of my costumes. That makes it much easier for me to remove you from my friendslist.
The fact that you've demonstrated bizarre behavior for years does not have much to do with Traci's gown, you're right. Since you asked, my point was and is that the list of people you've upset, hurt, angered or frustrated is long and distinguished. People who have otherwise admired some of your work, and liked your previous website, ended up a fascinated audience to your total break with reality. Fascinated like you would be at ... well ... a car wreck.
I am a friend of Traci's, and an admirer of her work. However, I am no back-patting neophyte. Traci could tell you herself that when I disagree with or don't like something, I say so. The difference between you and me (and the inversely proportional number of people who can stand each of us) is that I say so when someone ASKS my opinion. I do not bop around the internet seeing who I can correct, advise, revise, rebuke, adjust, or tick off each day.
Here's a scenario for you. Say someone posts a photo of a gown that they just finished because people have asked to see it, and they're really excited about it. Do you:
A. Say that it's really pretty and they obviously worked very hard.
B. Say nothing at all, because you really don't think it's that great, or you can see things wrong with it.
C. Say that you wouldn't have used a synthetic blend fabric and their sleeves are draped incorrectly.
See, to most people, the first two choices are the acceptable, polite, adult responses. We are not so convinced of our own superiority (or riddled with feelings of INferiority) that we feel the need to prove our knowledge to everyone we come across. Or, to use your phrasing, wrap it up in a linen chemise and shove it up everyone's ass.
Here's an idea for you to try: next time you come across something that you want to remark upon, try just typing these two words and then hitting the post comment button: "Love it!" Do this for a week or so, and I bet you'll start to notice considerable thawing in the way people view you.
Since you asked, my point was and is that the list of people you've upset, hurt, angered or frustrated is long and distinguished.
The list of people who learned one or two things or improved their way of working because of what I ever said is longer. That's what counts to me.
Here's a scenario for you. Say someone posts a photo of a gown that they just finished because people have asked to see it, and they're really excited about it. Do you: (...)
Depends on the costume. If the costume is said to be a screen accurate version, and if it asks for synthetic blend fabric then I'll probably say it's very well done. If the costume is *not* labeled to be 'as accurate as possible' and does the same if it originally yels for silk velvet instead of acetate velvet, I'll still say it's beautiful.
And if only the sleeves are draped incorrectly I'll add that to my 'beautiful' comment.
If I'm dealing with a total beginner claiming to having made a screen accurate reproduction then I'll squint my eyes looking at the costume, and if it in some way *still* looks like the original costume, I'll also say it's beautiful, but still not like the original costume.
I'll always say what I honestly think. I expect the same of other people towards my own creations.
Or, to use your phrasing, wrap it up in a linen chemise and shove it up everyone's ass.
Just out of curiosity, pray tell where I ever used such a phrasing? ;-)
But now we're getting to the most interesting part of your comment...
Here's an idea for you to try: next time you come across something that you want to remark upon, try just typing these two words and then hitting the post comment button: "Love it!" Do this for a week or so, and I bet you'll start to notice considerable thawing in the way people view you.
Ah, so I shall rather not say what I really think and / or fully think if I *don't* like the costume and / or think that it could be improved, but instead lie to my fellow costumers about my true and honest opinion just in order to gain myself a possibly long 'friendslist'?
I must say that I took half an hour this morning, sitting by the nearby river, watching ships pass by and thinking about this.
I came to this conclusion: No, I will not bend myself this way just to make friends. Friends are, in my opinion, people who will tell you their honest opinion, and nothing else. This is, of course, just my very own opinion which I would never ever force upon anyone.
But wait! That philosophy of mine can't be too new to anyone on my friendslist (or to anyone who would like to get there), because it's clearly been written in my userinfo for ages...
When I looked at the dress on ebay and other pics i've seen bfore, it was beautiful! It is definitely what someone who is a Mina fan will be looking for, I think Traci is very talented. No one is ever perfect at what they do and she has never claimed to be perfect, and trying to correct others is not right. She made the dress for herself and it was her right to make it the way she wanted to, not how you or anyone else wanted her to make it, because it was her's. Especially when you claim you are her supposed "friend". She was your friend when alot of other people wouldn;t be and this is how you respond to her. That wasn't contructive criticism you left, that was intentionally insulting your "friend". It seems like everything you ever write is negative in effect. I'm not a backpatter, i'm very opionated when it comes to things, but sometimes you should think before you speak/write and ask yourself is this appropriate before you start shooting posts off. She left a simple post and you turned it into drama. Obviously that is all you wanted was to cause a big drama show, too bad only 1 person you know even wrote on your behalf, that's a clue right there on how you treat people.
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| From: | pinque |
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That would be me. I did it because so much ugliness was coming from people sharing half stories without the other half having a chance to be told. I can't say what the other side is as I wasn't there, so I don't think it's fair for me to then say "no no you're all wrong it really went like this."
I knew as I was writing it that I could be seen as a blind follower but figured it was worth the risk. I've stood by and said nothing before when people on my friends list fall out with each other. I felt like a traitor to both.
naergilien, I'm sure you weren't saying Traci was wrong to make her decisions (and yes her skirt is fully pleated, but not so closely nor sewn down- there really are better photos of it that more slearly show it- and in the hi res photos I have of the original you can see the crepe texture) but rather that the original photo was misleading because it was on a dummy not the actress? I think if you'd left it at that it would have been fine, it was the word disappointed that I think people have seen and are responding to.
I would never suggest anyone change their personality simply to conform, but I've found myself that I needed to either very carefully phrase a complaint or not say it at all because it was so easily misconstrued or assumed to have been the one and only thing I think about a person. The written word is so much more powerful than the spoken because it lasts for so much longer and so it taken more seriously.
That would be me.
No, I think that comment was directed to Eveiya, who commented earlier than you... ;-)
but rather that the original photo was misleading because it was on a dummy not the actress? I think if you'd left it at that it would have been fine, it was the word disappointed that I think people have seen and are responding to.
That's what I actually meant and said (concerning the dummy)! And *if* someone does *not* know that this dummy picture shows the original gown, would buy the gown because of the dummy photo and receive it, *then* they would be disappointed because Tracis gown does not look like the original gown on that dummy.
But I think this all here is about something else. It's demonstrating the power of a longgg friends list over a short one, if I'm not too wrong. It's also about people who will constantly lie just to have 'friends'. I never wanted nor needed that.
I would never suggest anyone change their personality simply to conform, but I've found myself that I needed to either very carefully phrase a complaint or not say it at all because it was so easily misconstrued or assumed to have been the one and only thing I think about a person.
Michaela, how can what you think about construction details of a *costume* ever mirror about what you think of the *person* who created it?
I know that there are people out there who take such constructive criticism on their costumes as criticism about themselves, but it's pure nonsense. I rather prefer clearly addressed comments on issues about my costumes rather than having those comments packed in cotton candy and *not* addressing the issues, because addressing the issues is the one and only thing one can actually learn something from.
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I thought it was in reference elsewhere, not over here:)
It's very easy to take it personally, in much the same way there is great debate about the art in recreation costumes or not. I personally feel there is very little art in recreating someone else's work, and I do it(!) but that doesn't mean that great beauty and skill aren't present or possible. Art is ephemeral and because of that so easy for it to be seen as more important than skill.
So costuming like the stage is very personal (at least I have foudn this in myself and in the online world and amongst people I have had personal interactions with.) You put your ideas out there and your skills for the public to see. And discuss. And usually long after you have finished it and can't make any changes;)
When I looked at the dress on ebay and other pics i've seen bfore, it was beautiful! (...) I think Traci is very talented.
Pray tell, where did I ever say anything against what I just quoted from your comment. If you can't tell me where I said that (which you can't, because I never did...) then I wonder why you bring it up?
It is definitely what someone who is a Mina fan will be looking for, (...) She made the dress for herself and it was her right to make it the way she wanted to, not how you or anyone else wanted her to make it, because it was her's.
No objection against that she made it for herself, and that she could do so in whatever way she pleases.
However, if the gown is then labeled in an Ebay auction as a 'quasi screen accurate reproduction', then I can and have something to say about it. The auction in its original form gave the impression that the *original* gown shown on the dress mannequin showed what would be for sale in this auction, which was not correct.
She was your friend when alot of other people wouldn;t be and this is how you respond to her. That wasn't contructive criticism you left, that was intentionally insulting your "friend".
No, it wasn't. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't.
No matter what I say, you and a gazillion of other friends on Traci's list will still insist that it was. So what? *shrugs*.
too bad only 1 person you know even wrote on your behalf, that's a clue right there on how you treat people.
What, just because my friendslist is rather short compared to Traci's because I'm rather picky when it comes to whom I friend that tells you how 'I treat people'?
I'm giving comments on other people's garments. How does that mirror how I treat the 'people'?
too bad only 1 person you know even wrote on your behalf, that's a clue right there on how you treat people.
By the way, I've just calculated it through, and you're right, it *does* tell me something.
Following is a mathematical analysis of this incident...
Traci has 396 mutual friends, plus 97 more people who list her as a friend but have not been friended in return. Makes 493 people in total.
On this bandwagon here jumped so far 6 of those people, which, mathematically, are 1.21% of all her friends.
I have 22 mutual friends, plus 12 more who list me; makes a total of 34 people. 2 from my side jumped on the bandwagon so far; makes 5.88% of my friends.
Hmmm, now what should that tell me, in your opinion?
What I think you did wrong in all of this is critisize the gown at all. If all you wanted to do was mention to her that she should have it mentioned that the first picture is the actual gown and the rest the reproduction, then why didn't you just state that? You went on picking apart the differences in the gown, almost like you were trying to degrade the work itself. Perhaps that wasn't your intention, but from an outsider reading that, it seems that way.
I would never expect anyone to be able to make an exact replica of any movie costume. If they could, they should be in Hollywood working on movie costumes themselves. What I expect to see from someone who does this as a hobby, is a very good reproduction that isn't perfect, but that looks remarkably similar so people will know who you are trying to portray when you wear it.
If all you wanted to do was mention to her that she should have it mentioned that the first picture is the actual gown and the rest the reproduction, then why didn't you just state that?
Because I wanted her to know *why* I thought that the usage of that particular picture of the gown was wrong without it being clearly labeled as what it is.
What I expect to see from someone who does this as a hobby, is a very good reproduction that isn't perfect
And what I expect to see from a *professional costume maker* who sells her gowns not just on Ebay, but even offers to make custom-made reproductions at a high price level is that they a) label their pictures correctly and b) that something called 'an almost screen-accurate reproduction' is just that - an almost screen accurate reproduction.
We're not dealing here with some kind of hobbyist who incidentally sells a gown on Ebay because it doesn't fit any more, you know?
I came to this conclusion: No, I will not bend myself this way just to make friends.
And there you have it. There are certainly people in this world who prefer stirring the pot to living in harmony, and your behavior has always indicated that you are one of those. In the end, you can go on all day saying that you will tell it like you see it, and the rest of us will go on saying that it's rude and uncalled for, and neither opinion will have prevailed. And that's okay. Different strokes, right?
However, it is certainly no shock to you at this point (as shown by the profile you keep referencing) that people find your manner of communication offensive. Which is why I still say that the "car wreck" story was just that - a story. Because I guarantee you, if any sane human being truly believed that their life had been put in danger by offending online acquaintences over the subject of costuming, said sane person would find a new and less dangerous outlet for their commentary.
Oh, BTW ... forgot to answer this question that you asked: Just out of curiosity, pray tell where I ever used such a phrasing? ;-)That would be here: http://community.livejournal.com/dressdiaries/195094.htmlQuote (by you): "I'll wrap it into a hand-sewn linen smock and shove it into YOUR ass."
Nice you gave the link - didn't you forget half of that sentence, like, the first half of it?
I used another person's phrasing in that sentence, because she called me a Nazi.
But some people are rather good in just reading, pasting and copying what they *want* to read, paste and copy, right? ;-)
... I am amazed!!!
I mean seriously. I do this stuf for a living.. no day job, just costuming. All around the world.
and the idea that you (I mean you in the plural and universal sense) care so much that you have to fling all this poo like a bunch of monkeys is incredible! It's just costuming people!!! we are not curing cancer here!!! Maybe someone needs to drink a tall frosty glas of "Get the Hell Over Themselves"!
Now understand me please.. I'm not asking you to stop! please keep going on. We in the office here are finding this highly entertaining!!! Bring us more!!!!
How is that for unsolicited!
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I'm rather amazed, too, about how this Nice Little Quiet Barnyard Formerly Known As My Livejournal all of a sudden turned into a crowded place with pitchfork-waving chickens just because I said that the pleats of someone's gown were not pleated like the ones on the original gown...
I already said it to pinque: There's no reason to assume that I'm 'mean to a person' just because I constructively criticized her costume's details... but some people obviously fail to differ between the costume and the maker ;-)
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Oh.. trust me. Someone comes down on my creations and I'm all over them like a bad corset.
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Take pictures if that happens!!!
lol! Nice easing of the tension there, making fun of everyone;)
Now pass me the bartender serving the drinks and you have a deal!
I just checked.... and easing the tensions is not on my job description... or even on my Cv. :P
Oh bugger. Well I'm sure the legal department here can work things out and make sure you get accredited so you can put it on your cv;)
Need references?
You're sexy.
Oh, wait, that's not what I meant to say.
So, let's see ... you are bored enough to be spending time reading this, and you're amused by it ... but WE'RE the monkeys?
I've always wondered who was smarter at the zoo ... the animals living the posh life behind the glass, or the ones who pay to see them. :: grin ::
... I'm not paying to see themm.. It's a frre show! :) And I'm just as guilty as the next monkey, I even got the FlingMaster6000 for those hard to reach targets. oh, and thank you. *blush*
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*gigglesnort*
Actually, I'm most jealous of the Rob Zombie concert... but that's a different story, and we don't want to end this wonderful, civilized and lively discussion talking about something nice, right...? ;-)
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